Technofyed

I believe that we will eventually utilize electromagnetic properties as a source of propulsion for air crafts. If you apply enough energy to enclose a toriodal craft within an intense magnetic field it is possible to control that field, and utilize it as propulsion. There was a website I once found called "star drive". Created by an inventor, and scientist who has developed the most efficient design for a light speed craft. Believe it or not the traditional shape of "UFO's" is the only way to move an object at such speeds. The concept is complete but lacks the energy needed to create such propulsion. However, the designer was in the process of attempting to create a source of over-unity generation.

The law of conservation of energy is really hard to comprehend. For example... We can split atoms, and release unimaginable amounts of energy. A standard incandescent light bulb will create a limited amount of light whereas a LED bulb at the same wattage will create intense light. Nikola Tesla believed there was a source of infinite energy, and most scientists tend to lean towards dark energy/matter as this source. It is proven to exist among current scientists based on mathematical equations. I have no doubt over-unity, and light speed technologies are being developed by the worlds governments without the knowledge of the general public. If you compare past statistics of classified technology to the currently released technology it is obvious there is a lack of advancement.

I do believe that it is possible. This is the kind of technology I would like to be involved in as an electrical engineer. Although physics would probably be very important, an electrical system would definitely be required.

This is the kind of stuff I like to think about sometimes. It always amazes me what we can do with technology.

You would be surprised at how basic the design, and concept actually is. Of course it would require advanced physics, mathematics, and many other forms of science to control everything. Is it possible to create a sustained nuclear reaction for the required power? I don't think it is... Can the concept be tested on a smaller scale thus requiring less energy?

It sounds to me like it would need one h*** of a super computer.

I don't really think so. The energy source would be the biggest problem.

(10-09-2009 02:49 AM)GT4AWD Wrote: [ -> ]...would require advanced physics, mathematics, and many other forms of science to control everything.

Thats pretty much what super computers are for; highly intensive number crunching. You really don't get them for anything else that I'm aware of because they are so freaking expensive. Most other computing applications are handled by either PCs or servers/mainframes.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/NASA-Crea...2124.shtml Wrote:At the Space 2009 Conference, held this week in Pasadena, California, engineers at the American space agency NASA have revealed the fact that they have successfully completed the construction work on their first electromagnetic propulsion system. Rather than relying on a rocket, the new device is only made up of a linear motor and a ramjet engine. The team behind the project also says that this would be the first system to fly beyond the sound barrier using a ramjet engine, arXiv reports.

Although ideas related to this type of propulsion systems have been around for about 63 years, it was only in the late 1990s that officials at the agency started paying more attention to them. Using the linear method means that no rockets and solid/liquid fuel mixes will be needed again. Chemical reactions will no longer be the method of choice for delivering vehicles to orbit. Additionally, vast amounts of fuel will stop occupying most cargo space on even the largest rockets, which means that more advanced space technologies could be researched in the near future.

Essentially, in the new system, a spacecraft is tethered to a track or rail, and is then accelerated by an electric motor to supersonic speed. “Linear motors are basically electric motors unwound. There are two groups of coils and an aluminum plate goes inside the gap [between the coils], when you hit the juice you are energizing the coils and the inductive reaction of that throws the aluminum plate out of this motor,” Dryden Flight Research Center aeronautics and propulsion engineer Kurt Kloesel, also the lead researcher on the new project, explains the new propulsion system's properties.

“You are essentially propelling this vehicle along a track up to the point is [sic] disengages from the track and takes off,” GSFC flight systems integration expert Michael Wrigh, who is also the test manager of exploration systems, adds. “As you go faster and faster, getting towards the speed of sound, the drag goes up significantly, creating this shock wave structure on the vehicle. And once you pass the supersonic barrier the drag goes down again,” Kloesel says. Essentially, he shares, what the team is proposing is using an electromagnetic field to help the craft get past the supersonic barrier.

In laboratory settings, the engineers say, they managed to do this with bench-top models. They reveal that the new technology could, in a more distant future, be used in airplanes and automobiles as well, although they admit that this is still some time away.

Notice the sentence I've put in bold. An electromagnetic field can be used to achieve near light speed. That is the type of propulsion I'm talking about. However, this thread is about using electromagnets to basically sling shot a ship into orbit. I find it funny how they included whats in bold, and made no mention of what they are actually trying to accomplish. Not just to "help the craft get past the supersonic barrier"... Far more than that I would assume!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24851/Bobbin-e...on-vehicle

Look at this patent...

Sounds like a railgun to me, but that patent was not what I was expecting. So does that create a magnetic field around the vehicle to propel it in the desired direction?

Have you ever watched one of the electromagnetic lifters? You apply a DC electrical potential of high voltage to a small conductor on top of the lifter. The lifter then has conductive material on the bottom section that is larger. Free electrons are released as the small conductor is electrified, and those collide with the bottom conductor causing propulsion. Times that energy by hundreds of thousands the amount of electrical potential and force you possibly have a ship capable of light speed travel. The intense ion field would also double as an indestructible shield just as you see in sci-fi movies. This type of propulsion would make it possible for the ship to hover in place, and within an instant be traveling at very high velocities.

For those of you who know a little about space travel will also realize that even light speed isn't incredibly fast. It has been theorized that upon reaching the speed of light a wormhole would develop allowing faster than light travel. We do know passing the speed of sound has a reaction, so it would be correct to assume passing the speed of light will cause a reaction.

(10-15-2009 02:52 AM)GT4AWD Wrote: [ -> ]Have you ever watched one of the electromagnetic lifters?

Unfortunately, I haven't. I'll YouTube it when I get a chance.

Quote:This type of propulsion would make it possible for the ship to hover in place, and within an instant be traveling at very high velocities.

Yes the ship could, but what about us? Even going from 60-0MPH in an instant (auto accident) can kill us. Wouldn't that kind of acceleration be fatal? I would guess we would have to either do something to cushion ourselves or accelerate gradually.

There would have to be whats called an inertial dampener. That would null the effects of g-force. It's possible the ion field itself would act as a dampener...

It is believed that UFO's use a drive that manipulate's Gravity to create propulsion (Bob Lazar). It is believed that they do not travel at light speed but alter time and space to create a artificial Black Hole to travel through and travel huge amount of distances in a short time (Google Bob Lazar). Also light speed requires an infinite amount of energy, as one travels faster there mass increases. Travelling at light speed would mean an infinite mass which would in respect mean infinite energy. It is also believed that travelling at such speed would mean that a speck of dust could rip apart Diamond. Scientists believe that light speed is impossible and I agree.

I watched a very good show on the science channel a few weeks back with Dr. Michio Kaku (This guy is awsome!) who researched all methods that could be capable of light speed, or faster. This is the conclusion he arrived at... Traveling at light speed is most likely impossible because there simply isn't enough energy to do so, and if you think of it on the large scale light speed is extremely slow anyways. The closest star system to earth other than the sun is the Alpha Centauri system which consists of three stars. It is about 4.5 light years away... Now in the total of 9 light years traveled how many years has passed on earth?

Instead of utilizing a form of propulsion to accelerate the craft it would instead literally move "space" itself. I forgot the guys name who came up with the equation, but it's all proven to work by mathematics. It would require massive amounts of positive energy on one side of the ship, and anti-energy on the other. He describe the design capable of reaching the edges of the universe instantaneously. If quantum mechanics is correct this design could enter parallel universes. Maybe even alternate universes. Thinking back I guess the only thing preventing this from being possible as of now is anti-energy currently is extremely hard to obtain...

So, let's get some things cleared up here. First off, the universe is not infinite! I don't know why so many people believe that... Yes, anti-matter & anti-energy do exist. Anti-matter actually makes up quite a bit of our universes. This was proven based on how the universe is expanding yet galaxies are able to form... Current theory suggest our universe is on a large bubble with countless other (parallel) universes. All of our systems universes share the same laws of physics. However, within all these universes the evolution was different. Our bubble is just one of countless other bubbles. The other bubbles all have different laws of physics that govern their (alternate) universes.

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http://mkaku.org/home/?s=anti+energy+pro...=0&y=0 Wrote:For a Type II civilization, a new form of propulsion is possible: anti-matter drive. Matter-anti-matter collisions provide a 100% efficient way in which to extract energy from mater. However, anti-matter is an exotic form of matter which is extremely expensive to produce. The atom smasher at CERN, outside Geneva, is barely able to make tiny samples of anti-hydrogen gas (anti-electrons circling around anti-protons). It may take many centuries to millennia to bring down the cost so that it can be used for space flight.

I was reading on Dr. Michio Kaku's website, and found this information to back up my claims. I find it interesting that the problem comes down to the cost of producing anti-matter... Should a scientific advancement this important have a cost?

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headline...pr99_1.htm Wrote:Mars in 6 weeks? And back in a total of four months? That's the prediction of a design team working on antimatter rocket concepts at Pennsylvania State University. But first, you have to get the stuff - and store it. (PSU)

Antimatter and more "conventional" nuclear fusion occupied the final day of the 10th annual Advanced Propulsion Research Workshop held Tuesday-Thursday at the University of Alabama in Huntsville by NASA, Marshall, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics.

"Antimatter has tremendous energy density," said Dr. George Schmidt, chief of propulsion research and technology at NASA/Marshall. Matter-antimatter annihilation - the complete conversion of matter into energy - releases the most energy per unit mass of any known reaction in physics.

The popular belief is that an antimatter particle coming in contact with its matter counterpart yields energy. That's true for electrons and positrons (anti-electrons). They'll produce gamma rays at 511,000 electron volts.

But heavier particles like protons and anti-protons are somewhat messier, making gamma rays and leaving a spray of secondary particles that eventually decay into neutrinos and low-energy gamma rays.

And that is partly what Schmidt and others want in an antimatter engine. The gamma rays from a perfect reaction would escape immediately, unless the ship had thick shielding, and serve no purpose. But the charged debris from a proton/anti-proton annihilation can push a ship.

"We want to get as close as possible to the initial annihilation event," Schmidt explained. What's important is intercepting some of the pions and other charged particles that are produced and using the energy to produce thrust."

Quote:Right now, antimatter is the most expensive substance on Earth, about $62.5 trillion a gram ($1.75 quadrillion an ounce). The production is, at best, 50 percent efficient because half of what's created are regular protons, and the equipment now used was not designed to fuel rockets. Harold Gerrish of NASA/Marshall and others estimate that improvements in equipment to slow and trap the antiprotons could bring the price down to about $5,000 per microgram. A new injector at Fermilab outside Chicago will allow that facility to increase its production tenfold, from 1.5 to 15 nanograms a year.

Seems that NASA is in the process of creating an anti-matter propulsion system. It's not the design mentioned by Dr. Kaku, but a good first step into the new technology.

You speak of anti-matter, yet what is this anti-matter supposed to be?

Quote:Anti-matter

That's a good one...

Up until now anti-matter or negative matter, and anti-energy or negative energy was not an agreed upon theory. The discovery of anti-energy, and anti-matter is a major scientific breakthrough. We can produce anti-energy and anti-matter in the massive particle accelerators.

"Matter-anti-matter collisions provide a 100% efficient way in which to extract energy from mater."

This is CERN the worlds largest particle accelerator...

Some more information I was able to find.

Quote:Two linear accelerators generate low energy particles. Linac2 accelerates protons to 50 MeV for injection into the Proton Synchrotron Booster (PSB), and Linac3 provides heavy ions at 4.2 MeV/u for injection into the Low Energy Ion Ring (LEIR).

The Proton Synchrotron Booster increases the energy of particles generated by the proton linear accelerator before they are transferred to the other accelerators.

The Low Energy Ion Ring (LEIR) accelerates the ions from the ion linear accelerator, before transferring them to the Proton Synchrotron (PS). This accelerator was commissioned in 2005, after having been reconfigured from the previous Low Energy Antiproton Ring (LEAR).

The 28 GeV Proton Synchrotron (PS), built in 1959 and still operating as a feeder to the more powerful SPS.


The Super Proton Synchrotron (SPS), a circular accelerator with a diameter of 2 kilometres built in a tunnel, which started operation in 1976. It was designed to deliver an energy of 300 GeV and was gradually upgraded to 450 GeV. As well as having its own beamlines for fixed-target experiments, it has been operated as a proton–antiproton collider (the SppS collider), and for accelerating high energy electrons and positrons which were injected into the Large Electron–Positron Collider (LEP). From 2008 onwards, it will inject protons and heavy ions into the Large Hadron Collider (LHC).

The On-Line Isotope Mass Separator (ISOLDE), which is used to study unstable nuclei. The radioactive ions are produced by the impact of protons at an energy of 1.0–1.4 GeV from the Proton Synchrotron Booster. It was first commissioned in 1967 and was rebuilt with major upgrades in 1974 and 1992.

REX-ISOLDE increases the charge states of ions coming from the ISOLDE targets, and accelerates them to a maximum energy of 3 MeV/u.

The Antiproton Decelerator (AD), which reduces the velocity of antiprotons to about 10% of the speed of light for research into antimatter.